R.U. Sirius waxes old-school on C-Realm

and Ethan Zuckerman discusses how people are the products of free services like Facebook and Google, not the consumers. They also go into Ethan’s early days working at Tripod where he invented the pop-up ad, and why we need more weirdness like the hamster dance on the internet.
http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/9/9/2/992811d6f4c760f1/ARE015_161207.mp3?c_id=13544809&expiration=1481235663&hwt=b0fbbe5e848049e9c7e7685398f5b064